Tax Issues for Dual Citizens

(minutes taken by Karin Kloosterman, edited by Stephanie Freid, originally posted at http://ciwiseeds.typepad.com/blog/2007/03/phil_stein_at_t.html )

Phil Stein, Accountant, Talks at Tel Aviv Writer's Cafe

Tuesday night US/Israeli tax specialist Phil Stein www.pstein.com came out for café talk in Tel Aviv to give us freelance writers a few tips. Stein came to Israel 28 years ago, and since has started a firm which includes 10 people specializing in US tax, Israeli tax and the points where the two systems meet. He noted that he particularly enjoys working with writers and in the past has given counsel to people whose books have become NY Times bestsellers.

Q: Do I have to file taxes in the US if I file in Israel?
A: Yes. If you have US passport. There was a myth that if you don’t file, they will take your passport. It is not true.

If you make more than $400 per year as an independent you have to file a tax return.

If you are an employee and you are single/married – it all depends. Roughly, you need to earn $8,000 to file a return.

Non-US citizens should ask contractees for a W8BEN form

U.S. citizens should ask for a W-9; if you make more than $600 ask them to send you a 1099 at the end of the year.

If you live here, Israel gets first dibs on taxation i.e. “the biggest bite”. Taxes have decreased here in the last couple of years. But you still have to file in the US.

Q: Do the IRS and mas hachnasa communicate?
A: Yes. The IRS does exchange information with mas hachnasa. I haven’t seen a book, but they are matching the address on your 1099 and can locate you by your address.

Q: If I don’t report taxes to the US over the years what happens to Social Security benefits when I retire?
A: They generally ask to see your last two tax returns. I have seen a lot of people who didn’t file for 20 years and only file the two years before they were about to retire. They took the forms to the Embassy in Israel and I have never seen them denied.

Q: Am I entitled to the per child refundable credit of $1000 that I have been hearing about?
A: Yes if you earn $12,000 or more per year.

Q: Should I let the Israeli side know about my child education or pension fund in the US?
A:Some people are asked to declare assets at a particular date and time. The Israeli government wants to know what you own because they want to compare your assets to your tax returns. I don’t believe child education funds are taxable in Israel.

Q: Is it smarter to open an “independent” file in Israel, or to pay a fee to outsourcing agencies to file on my behalf?
A: The advantage as an American is that it saves you from being an independent and you don’t have to deal with the tax authority; the company takes care of all these tax issues. It is a worthwhile investment but you have to weigh the investment and whether or not you want to filter your pay through an agency.

Q: Do I have to pay mam if I am working with a US company?
A: It depends. You might have to pay if the company is connected to an institution in Israel.

Q: Pension plans?
A: Tax benefits are less than they use to be. You are not stuck having to go to your local bank anymore. There are a lot of independent investment houses and you should shop around. There is a lot of choice out there.

Q: The scenario. You are single with one child and make NIS 15,000 per month. How much tax should I pay?
A: Rates today -- you should take home NIS 11,000 after you have paid bituach leumi, mas briut and mas hachnasa.

Q: Any special deals on taxes as an ola hadasha?
A: If you have stocks, bonds, rental income – you will not be taxed for 5 years.

For more information, please contact Phil Stein.


 

2 comment

Hi, I have a dual citizenship (US, ISR). I have a job offer in Israel Paying 24,000 NIS a month. How much is my take home from this amount?
Can you diduct mortgage intrest in Israel?

I asked Stephanie (organizer of the Tel Aviv Freelancers Group) to bring your request to the attention of Phil Stein.

Useful Information

  • Job Listings (visible to only members)

  • Employee Benefits

  • Other Sites and Resources

    Survey Reporting

    Q2 2010 Survey Results

    Requires access rights

    Employee Salaries (18 pp)

    Freelance Writer Rates (11 pp)

    Q4/09 Copy Editor Rates (9 pp)


    Columns on Elephant

    Translatable but Debatable

    Each month, Mark L. Levinson presents one hard-to-translate Hebrew word at a time for discussion.

    Of Mice and Keyboard Shortcuts

    Michael Cohen will teach us practical shortcuts that save us time and make our lives easier.

    The Why of Style

    Mark L. Levinson examines the big and little factors that make writing effective.

    Broken Bell Education in Israel

    David Siegel looks at the problems in education in Israel and discusses what can be done.

    Jonathan's Tool Bar & Grill

    Jonathan Plutchok identifies free or inexpensive utilities or plug-ins that save time, increase productivity, improve your computing environment, perform a task you otherwise couldn't do... or is just too much fun to ignore. This column has grown into its own blog at http://jonathanstoolbar.blogspot.com where you can find new issues every week.

    It's in The Script

    Paul Schnall teaches us about the power of FrameScript and how to use it.

    Do it Yourself

    Did you ever wonder what was inside a PC, laptop, or other microcomputer system? Michael Cohen teaches us what's inside and how to configure and build our own.

    Coaching for Success

    Dr. Tal discusses the principles of professional coaching, focusing on resiliency.

    Hunters and Gatherers

    Eric Gluch looks at modern marketing.

    Moving to Chelm

    Esther Shira Stepansky takes us on a humorous adventure in the modern day land of Chelm as we look at some of the challenges of making aliyah and finding work in Israel. Making aliyah is supposed to be the fulfillment of my of your Jewish identity, so why does Israel make it so difficult?

    Why am I a Tech Writer?

    By Michael Altman

    Life as a Tech Writer

    By Mumpy

    Building Bridges (in Hebrew)

    Dr. Zaidel discusses another aspect of mediation within the framework of Israel's court-approved Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) process.

    Don't Forget

    Hezy Asher teaches us how to improve our memory.

    World of Podcasting

    Tom Johnson's podcast episodes, provide tips on recording presentations, and other podcasting related news and events.

    Effective Management ניהול אפקטיבי

    By Eitan Reuveni

    Scribblin' With Steph

    By Stephanie Freid

    Life in Northern Israel

    By multiple authors

    Life on the Southern Front of Israel

    By Israel Ivri

    Event Summaries

    Summaries of events held by Elephant and other organizations throughout the Israeli technical/marcom community.